tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post8239665029914217235..comments2024-02-02T19:30:12.868-06:00Comments on Fear Not Little Flock: Diversity in the Church: Part 2priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd http://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-90995801438270347922012-06-26T22:33:09.725-05:002012-06-26T22:33:09.725-05:00Lost my comment and trying again (with brevity). B...Lost my comment and trying again (with brevity). Before I went away to college, I would have described myself as a "child of Vatican II." I was attracted to liturgical reverence, but felt comfortable in the presence of drums/guitars in one parish and piano in another. I thought that singing a song in Spanish was diverse. The more familiar I become with true diversity in the church (the Novus Ordo, The Carmelites, the Russians, the Benedictines, the Romanians, the Greeks, the Tridentine Mass, the Antiochians) the more I believe that "smells and bells" and chanting (when God provides a chanter, ahem) are "essentials." Reverence is non-negotiable. I find myself increasingly uncomfortable with my discomfort at some parishes where things are relaxed and modern. Lord have mercy. <br /><br />(I love how you contrasted "one" with "catholic." I've been pondering these lines of the creed and this dichotomy is very helpful. Thank you.)amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04855155341038454366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-84684804444511484372012-06-13T21:05:18.234-05:002012-06-13T21:05:18.234-05:00I'm mulling over a post for Monday about the &...I'm mulling over a post for Monday about the 'non-essentials' in the Catholic Churchpriest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-13099084765916706762012-06-13T20:32:05.613-05:002012-06-13T20:32:05.613-05:00I LOVE the diversity that our Church offers, but I...I LOVE the diversity that our Church offers, but I have great, great difficulty with those within the Church who think their way is the "most true" way.Thrift Store Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801507829451765963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-76330105064145039992012-06-13T18:57:12.019-05:002012-06-13T18:57:12.019-05:00That's a good point...even in a "regular,...That's a good point...even in a "regular, old" Roman rite Mass, with a pretty heterogeneous population (ethnically speaking) you could have people who go every day, people who go every Sunday, people who go once a month, etc.Jen (AKA Rabbit)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15742830792050815627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-19824322782652534382012-06-13T18:38:50.149-05:002012-06-13T18:38:50.149-05:00ladytats- even within the Latin-rite and one paris...ladytats- even within the Latin-rite and one parish, there can be a lot of diversity- my first church (Latin-rite) had an early Mass with just a cantor, a folk Mass, a choir Mass, a Spanish-language Mass and a Vietnamese Mass and a 'last chance' Mass with lots of college students on Sundays. But even within the same Mass, you are right- 'here comes everybody'- and Jesus died for us all, so let's love each other!priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-71006840097545532462012-06-13T18:19:57.841-05:002012-06-13T18:19:57.841-05:00I have been only to Latin rite, not because of cho...I have been only to Latin rite, not because of choice, but because of location. I would enjoy seeing how the other rites worsip. As for essentials, as Rabbit listed The Eucharist as celebrated in the consecration of the Mass, the Creed, The Gospel. items that are of importance, quiet, and wearing respectful clothing and shoes, ( if you don't have them, fine, but when I know you have more money then you can shake a stick at, and still look like you borrowed from your daughters closet and wearing flip flops, well really)<br /><br />non- essential but nice to have: chanting, singing, <br /><br />completely unacceptable, bands, puppets, lack of respect on the part of adults. kids... they don't know better, until they have been properly shown. <br /><br />I have more then once mentioned to some friends who are either non practicing Catholics, or other denominations, "Catholic means here comes everyone." we may have small individual traditions (small t) but the essentials are the same.Ladytatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333655818263465112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-59626267226098965142012-06-13T15:06:44.659-05:002012-06-13T15:06:44.659-05:00But to answer your question at the end...
Essenti...But to answer your question at the end...<br /><br />Essential: The Body of Christ AND the Blood of Christ. The Creed. The Gospel. A Priest. QUIET :) (and NOT from the kids, from the ELDERS!!!! Lining up for Communion is NOT social hour!)<br /><br />Non-essential: Singing. Chanting. Two readings before the Gospel. Altar servers. Deacons. Instruments. "Smells & bells." Tons of people. <br /><br />However, I don't know if my essentials/non-essentials are skewed as I've worshipped on both sides. Someone who's been ONLY to one Rite might have a much different list.Jen (AKA Rabbit)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15742830792050815627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-70061815764859907372012-06-13T14:58:34.179-05:002012-06-13T14:58:34.179-05:00Gah I posted my comment before you posted the word...Gah I posted my comment before you posted the words! I thought it was just pictures! Good thing I came back here to see if there were more comments. <br /><br />I guess we're pretty diverse as we've gone Roman many times, Ukrainian Byzantine a few times AND even once to a Latin Mass, even though we're Ruthenian. We want to go to an Orthodox DL...just to see how similar they are. But we'd have to make sure we also went to our DL too. The husband went a few times when he was younger with his step-grandfather.Jen (AKA Rabbit)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15742830792050815627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-15553120231664866322012-06-13T14:26:23.233-05:002012-06-13T14:26:23.233-05:00my example of 'essential' and 'non-ess...my example of 'essential' and 'non-essential'- for Catholics- not using artificial birth control in marriage is essential to our faith but the rest is non-essential....in marriage, we can be 'providentialist'- we can use NFP (of many different methods) to space pregnancies- we can live as 'brother and sister' for a timepriest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-74938505403655104052012-06-13T14:22:45.300-05:002012-06-13T14:22:45.300-05:00I'm sad I am so busy on the weekends- I'd ...I'm sad I am so busy on the weekends- I'd like to visit the Armenian and Coptic- they aren't that far away!priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-82246698882471232292012-06-13T14:21:48.965-05:002012-06-13T14:21:48.965-05:00I think his name is Joseph....I think his name is Joseph....priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-44453484852882883672012-06-13T13:24:00.404-05:002012-06-13T13:24:00.404-05:00Who is the first guy???????
;-)Who is the first guy???????<br /><br />;-)Jen (AKA Rabbit)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15742830792050815627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-89340586910621470302012-06-13T12:45:33.128-05:002012-06-13T12:45:33.128-05:00This is true diversity at its best. Seeing all th...This is true diversity at its best. Seeing all the different expressions of Faith are wonderful and scary. There's so much to learn about in this wonderful world we were born into. Our minds were meant to wonder at all sorts of people and beliefs, yet belong to Him and try to make Him known through our lives, lived for Him. I'm fortunate to have a firm enough foundation to learn these things, probably it's my "advanced" age and ways of believing I've experienced, and understand how they fit or don't fit into my life. Great picture post. Food for much thought.Carolyn Franceshttp://www.vocalnews.orgnoreply@blogger.com