tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post6831204417521846621..comments2024-02-02T19:30:12.868-06:00Comments on Fear Not Little Flock: Random Wedding Observations- 7 QuickTakespriest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd http://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-17318940663597893122011-06-15T09:00:22.500-05:002011-06-15T09:00:22.500-05:00Your husband would really do a crowning for an ann...Your husband would really do a crowning for an anniversary? That's awesome! Perhaps that will be an option for me and my husband in some distant future. My husband has a great love for the Eastern Churches, and he talked for a long time before we married about formally changing Ritual Churches, in which case we would have been married Byzantine-style. Our Roman wedding was lovely, but I think we are both still sad that there was no crowning.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03893341464969743583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-28850606001623567032011-06-08T17:57:14.051-05:002011-06-08T17:57:14.051-05:00I like that idea, actually, the crowning and the p...I like that idea, actually, the crowning and the prayers part. It does sound very welcoming. Ahh, I really have to write the "story" because if I even hint at something here, it's going to be confusing not to know ALL of it.<br /><br />That's very interesting--and thanks for the answer! So it boils down to discrimination. Lovely. At least things are better now...JentoInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188248469034099534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-58365776202329730072011-06-08T14:52:32.624-05:002011-06-08T14:52:32.624-05:00Rabbit- The reason why there aren't a lot of m...Rabbit- The reason why there aren't a lot of married Byzantine Catholic priests in the US is a sad holdover when Bishop John Ireland and others convinced the Vatican to not allow Eastern Catholic men to be ordained priest in the US (it was so bad that even men from the old country married and ordained priest were not allowed to come serve in the US- they 'lent' us celibate Roman-rite bi-ritual priests)- this lead to the formation of the Orthodox Church in America (OCA)---it is much better now, our traditions are being respected- I believe for Ruthenian Catholics, it is done on a 'case by case' basis -which I am fine with- gotta check out those future priest's wives! ;)priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-55240898372738237762011-06-08T14:20:42.084-05:002011-06-08T14:20:42.084-05:00Rabbit- whoa- serious questions! :)
It wouldn...Rabbit- whoa- serious questions! :) <br /><br />It wouldn't be a blessing because you already have a Catholic marriage- but this is what my husband might do if you were his parishioners- for 'pastoral reasons' and to welcome you as Byzantine Catholics, he could do the portions of the wedding like prayers and maybe even 'crown' you two- the words might need to be changed a bit- this could be done at an anniversary. Come on over for a vacation and my husband will pray for hours for you ;)priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-20469556893020468842011-06-08T13:46:11.937-05:002011-06-08T13:46:11.937-05:00Priest's Wife--can two people who were married...Priest's Wife--can two people who were married in the Roman Church get a Byzantine blessing? ;-) I think that would be pretty cool. Although, I'm guessing no, in our case. Which I still need to write about. <br /><br />(feel free to answer this next question in another post or something)<br />Also...if "our final authority comes from Rome" why are married priests allowed in the Byzantine Rite ONLY if they were ordained abroad? In that case, not all authority is from Rome. OR...is the rule because of the vast majority of Roman Catholics and the tiny minority of foreign-ordained Eastern Rite priests in this country? Is it because it wouldn't be "fair" to allow US-ordained men of the Eastern Rite to be married when their Roman counterparts can't? I've never been able to find a clear answer to this...JentoInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188248469034099534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-65906289389645234872011-06-08T12:48:23.956-05:002011-06-08T12:48:23.956-05:00Alice- Our dogma is the same as the Latin rite bec...Alice- Our dogma is the same as the Latin rite because our final authority comes from Rome just as the Latin rite. But let's say that 2 baptised & married Lutherans become Byzantine rite Catholic, they can choose to have a blessing, but it is not necessary. I believe a legal townhall wedding would need an actual marriage ceremony however to be sacramental.priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-88186317285947320662011-06-08T12:43:46.651-05:002011-06-08T12:43:46.651-05:00Priest's Wife,
In the Byzantine Church does on...Priest's Wife,<br />In the Byzantine Church does one have to have one's marriage blessed if one converts after marriage? In the Latin Church, a valid marriage becomes a sacramental marriage as soon as both spouses are baptized. There is no special blessing required because we believe that their is no valid marriage between a baptized man and a baptized woman that is not also a sacramental marriage.Alicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-65167194281832831032011-06-08T11:24:30.570-05:002011-06-08T11:24:30.570-05:00Interesting and enjoyable observations and followu...Interesting and enjoyable observations and followup comments. We were married in a presbyterian church but had our marriage blessed by two catholic priests many years later (after we became Roman Catholics). Thanks be to God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-36370616574560413292011-06-08T10:02:27.268-05:002011-06-08T10:02:27.268-05:00Katie- I hopped over to your blog (now I need coq ...Katie- I hopped over to your blog (now I need coq au vin) to see if you got married in the Church...I couldn't tell. Marriage is something that 'heals at the root' so your courthouse wedding could be turned sacramental in no time. email me if you want to talk or if you want me to bust down the gatekeepers door at your parish---and it does not need to be expensivepriest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-29974531411809523832011-06-08T08:00:10.061-05:002011-06-08T08:00:10.061-05:00This was interesting to read! I've never been...This was interesting to read! I've never been to a Byzantine wedding. Actually, I've never even been to a Roman rite wedding- dh and I were both atheists when we married (we converted together) and so we were married at the courthouse under less than ideal circumstances.Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06497593765013433443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-59796019455105179762011-06-07T14:32:45.308-05:002011-06-07T14:32:45.308-05:00P.S. I thought drinking alcohol was a personal dec...P.S. I thought drinking alcohol was a personal decision. It's perfectly fine if you choose not to drink it but it's not grounds for judging others who do. Certainly not a reason to not attend such an important event in a friend's life! That is really sad to me.Kayleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08589019233035937673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-33002100627615850822011-06-07T14:31:10.249-05:002011-06-07T14:31:10.249-05:00I loved our Byzantine ceremony...even if plenty of...I loved our Byzantine ceremony...even if plenty of family and friends did not see the need for a 2+ hour ceremony and didn't understand. As we are going on 4 years of marriage now, I am starting to understand just how much grace is necessary to have a happy and successful marriage! Good thing it IS a sacrament and we Catholics make a BIG deal out of it. Thanks for posting some of the prayers. It's nice to be reminded of some of these beautiful old prayers!Kayleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08589019233035937673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-82596350720916437732011-06-07T12:12:26.888-05:002011-06-07T12:12:26.888-05:00Bear said... But Rabbit, not only have they musica...<i>Bear said... But Rabbit, not only have they musical instruments, they also have pews!!!</i><br /><br />LOL!!!! I am Byzantine also! Ruthenian Rite. We have pews too ;-) (I posted my last comment before I read yours) But I've only been practicing as a ByzCath for about 3 years. In my very limited Byz life, I've always heard that instruments aren't allowed in church. <br /><br />As for alcohol being a reason that the coworkers might not have attended (in priest's wife's recent comment)--I'm sorry, that's silly. I'm not a huge drinker, but not a teetotaler either. Do people like these coworkers not attend country fairs where alcohol is sold? Concerts or sporting events where beer is SUPER prevalent? Alcohol is a part of American culture, not to mention even a larger one in Europe. It's fine if you choose not to partake, but to exclude yourself from things because it's there...just ridiculous.*<br /><br />*Unless, of course, you're a recovering alcoholic who doesn't feel like they can handle being near the temptation. THAT is 100% understandable.JentoInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188248469034099534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-25446267807356755052011-06-07T09:55:46.141-05:002011-06-07T09:55:46.141-05:00Bear- Yes, it was very rude for them not to come t...Bear- Yes, it was very rude for them not to come to the recption- they did rsvp that they would come to the party. I assume they had second thoughts because of the alcohol that would be served and the dancing (mostly folk). I think it is problematic to invite co-workers because there wasn't a spiritual connection...in any case, there was food left over that we are enjoying today!priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-13704343030953445842011-06-07T08:15:08.079-05:002011-06-07T08:15:08.079-05:00Oooh, he does have an excellent voice!
About the...Oooh, he does have an excellent voice! <br /><br />About the harp--ahhh, see, I'd been told that there were never to be musical instruments in church. I was surprised to see the harp mentioned.JentoInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188248469034099534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-76170276139070534242011-06-07T06:55:29.053-05:002011-06-07T06:55:29.053-05:00You made me recall my own wedding day, in which I ...You made me recall my own wedding day, in which I got up _extremely _early, git a big cup of coffee and made up the wedding flowers. Grant you I had never done this before...but I enjoyed it and they turned out well. I did have that little bit of butterflies though, cause it was do it once and done, no going back!Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847572866285311259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-81013741590733859592011-06-07T05:58:42.858-05:002011-06-07T05:58:42.858-05:00Preoteasa,
it would seem that the groom's fri...Preoteasa,<br /><br />it would seem that the groom's friends are rather rude!! Surely they would have indicated that they would not be attending the ceremony or reception —— unless RSVPs are no longer fashionable.<br /><br />I certainly respect that someone may not attend a ceremony for religious reasons (consider if one were to be invited to the installation of a heretical hierarch with his boyfriend and former wife assisting), but not to give notice of a refusal is uncharitable (causing significant embarrassment to the groom).<br /><br />For interest, the old form of the Roman Rite also had a fixed form, and also long prayers for the couple, and a blessing of the bride (that she may have many children).<br /><br />But Rabbit, not only have they musical instruments, they also have pews!!!<br /><br />BearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-63734323893380143512011-06-06T20:07:19.463-05:002011-06-06T20:07:19.463-05:00Baron Mucki- you can tell it is at the beginning.....Baron Mucki- you can tell it is at the beginning...many people like to be fashionably late to a two hour servicepriest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-73801723612934749852011-06-06T18:27:17.298-05:002011-06-06T18:27:17.298-05:00I was blessed to be at this, the real wedding of t...I was blessed to be at this, the real wedding of the century!<br /><br />Some readers might enjoy hearing priest wife's priest husband, who has an excellent voice, chanting prayers at the wedding.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJWqZsgCFMo<br /><br />(and preoteasa, if you prefer not to have this on you tube, say the word and I'll take it down.)Baron Muckihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00598483796221334060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-20300023108288573182011-06-06T16:21:14.371-05:002011-06-06T16:21:14.371-05:00Rabbit- It's not such a big no-no... ;) so reb...Rabbit- It's not such a big no-no... ;) so rebellious, allowing a harp in church!<br /><br />Alice- Sometimes, the Divine Liturgy doesn't take place at a wedding, but we had one during this wedding - I think the order was....betrothal, vows, crowning, readings, Liturgy of Eucharist...yikes...I had better have father-husband help me out for the proper order- maybe tomorrow I'll write more in a general way about the service...vows are said with bride and groom bowed over the Gospel book and with hands on book...priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-27293437951282584582011-06-06T16:12:43.461-05:002011-06-06T16:12:43.461-05:00Priest's Wife,
Do Byzantine Catholic weddings ...Priest's Wife,<br />Do Byzantine Catholic weddings have vows and does the sacrament of marriage take place during the Divine Liturgy or before? I've never been to a Byzantine wedding and probably will never have the opportunity, but I'm curious.Alicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-84396331063005068772011-06-06T15:51:08.185-05:002011-06-06T15:51:08.185-05:00How did a musical instrument get into the church? ...How did a musical instrument get into the church? I thought that was a major no-no.JentoInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188248469034099534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-8810663826762811982011-06-06T14:42:09.719-05:002011-06-06T14:42:09.719-05:00Marcia Marcia Marcia- nope- no choices here! In an...Marcia Marcia Marcia- nope- no choices here! In any case- there are so many decisions to be made about the party and clothes and stuff- the ceremony is on 'auto-pilot'- a good one, but automatic nonetheless...the only thing that wasn't Byzantine was the harppriest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-6261516621450168692011-06-06T14:29:16.840-05:002011-06-06T14:29:16.840-05:00What a wonderful gift to the couple for all your h...What a wonderful gift to the couple for all your hard work. The Byzantine weddings seem to be a kind for priests because the couples now a days pick their own vows and a don't seem to need the <br />Church for anything other just having a venue.Marciahttp://www.vocalnews.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-52112888165915472782011-06-06T14:28:53.177-05:002011-06-06T14:28:53.177-05:00Louise- yes, it was exhausting...maybe girl #1 can...Louise- yes, it was exhausting...maybe girl #1 can stop having nightmares now (bride shows up in black pant suit, the cake falls, etc, etc)<br /><br />Rabbit- sounds like an interesting history of yours!<br /><br />About bride and groom not taking the actual ceremony seriously- I am sad for them...first of all because it is beautiful & interesting, but also because we need this strong stuff to get through the hard times...so I will try and be "magnified like Sarah" even though I am pushing fortypriest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com