tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post6684267226795484918..comments2024-02-02T19:30:12.868-06:00Comments on Fear Not Little Flock: Money Money Moneypriest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd http://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-53105466794989846612011-06-24T10:27:57.522-05:002011-06-24T10:27:57.522-05:00Bear- this is why we are so blessed- priest-husban...Bear- this is why we are so blessed- priest-husband has been given bi-ritual faculties in the latin-rite archdiocese and he is a board certified hospital chaplain- so he does work outside of his primary duties to our missions, but he never has to do work that isn't connected to his priesthoodpriest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-59799282731725815442011-06-24T04:03:40.411-05:002011-06-24T04:03:40.411-05:00In my experience, there is a cultural inhibition a...In my experience, there is a cultural inhibition among Latin Rite Catholics to discuss money. Most Latin Rite Catholics expect that their priests are monks, and are often surprised that the secular clergy do not take a vow of poverty.<br /><br />This has lead to murmuring when a man of independent means has been ordained. They also provide the bishops with some difficulty — they are not dependent for their livelihood on the bishop.<br /><br />One diocese is now requiring that all men being ordained make provisions for the disposal of any significant amount of money (including inherited wealth and success at the race track).<br /><br />However I would note that if the Latin Rite were to relax the celibacy requirement, it would cause quite a bit of problems with finances. Currently, Canon Law in the Western Church forbids a wide range of work that priests are able to perform: this includes government jobs, engaging in commerce &c. And married priests, as a matter of practicality would need to take outside work to support their families in frugal comfort.<br /><br />While I think that it would be a good thing to have the clergy have other qualifications, such as a profession or a trade, this would be large shift for the Western Church.<br /><br />BearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-70428820682596641182011-06-23T22:05:58.987-05:002011-06-23T22:05:58.987-05:00Alice- probably the parish I had in mind is in an ...Alice- probably the parish I had in mind is in an affluent area- noney is always a concern and I don't discount that. I suspect that marriedf men becoming Latin-rite priests after ministry in Anglican or other churches probably have a second ministry as chaplian, teacher, etc in order to support family. It would be interesting to know if these men 'cost' more to their Latin-rite parishes as the normal cdelibate priests. using our situation in terms of money is actually a straw argument as he wouldn't be able to support only himself wih only a mission stipend let alone dependents.priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-21395148504615684782011-06-23T19:12:51.427-05:002011-06-23T19:12:51.427-05:00I just wonder, do Roman-rite parishioners fret ove...<i>I just wonder, do Roman-rite parishioners fret over the cost of repaving the blacktop or taking care of the roof?</i><br /><br />Umm, yes. Was the Latin parish where you worked in a more affluent area? My experience of the Latin Church in the middle of Flyover Country is a bit different than you describe. Roofing, tuck pointing, repaving the parking lot, these are all things we DO worry about. Many parishes don't even have full time secretaries, let alone someone to open the door and answer the phone after hours!Alicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-1538806300890028952011-06-23T10:07:47.268-05:002011-06-23T10:07:47.268-05:00I'm a Latin Catholic and I appreciate our gene...I'm a Latin Catholic and I appreciate our general tradition of a celibate priesthood. However, you can make bad arguements for a good practice. Priestly celibacy because it is a source of cheap labor is not only a bad arguement but one I find offesnive. I also am reluctant to invoke the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on any practice that is particular only to sections of the Church, such as the latin Church. <br /><br />The lay faithful have the right to make their pastoral concerns know to the bishops and pope, so it is good to have an open discussion about clerical celibacy. My view, however, is to maintain in for now in the Latin Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-65003895248099908692011-06-22T02:18:55.040-05:002011-06-22T02:18:55.040-05:00You go girl!You go girl!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02367907451392729802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-66035035331630512972011-06-21T23:39:48.841-05:002011-06-21T23:39:48.841-05:00Funny how it always comes down to money. That is a...Funny how it always comes down to money. That is always the question on everyone's mind when they find out about my husbands vocation to the priesthood..."but will you make enough money??!!" <br />*sigh* I just want to yell at them to get over it..there will never be enough money! But God ALWAYS provides when you least expect it. :)<br />I think that the Latin and Eastern rite churches have their different strengths and weaknesses...and married priests, in my opinion, is one of the strengths of our tradition (even if it is often taken for granted)Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13148286229293806478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-54878449454370934092011-06-21T11:27:15.962-05:002011-06-21T11:27:15.962-05:00I'm so happy Anne at Imprisoned In My Bones hi...I'm so happy Anne at Imprisoned In My Bones highlighted the Catholic Blog Community on "Pay It Forward" today. I found you through her post. <br /><br />What an interesting a thought provoking post! No offense taken. Good discussion can often ruffle some feathers, but it can also open minds and hearts too.<br /><br />I wanted to let you know about a Meme called “Pay It Forward” @ A Life-Size Catholic Blog. If you can find time to link up (today, or any Tuesday) with this new Meme it’s a great way to grow our blogging community. Check it out at: http://alife-sizecatholicblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/pay-it-forward-iv.html<br /><br />Many blessings…Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02644912004729029582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-41330250458771061162011-06-21T10:36:12.099-05:002011-06-21T10:36:12.099-05:00I think I've said this before, but I just want...I think I've said this before, but I just want to say again that I love your blog. I always learn so much! Thank you!God Alone Sufficeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02512877884857626978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-83324307253746015982011-06-21T10:27:23.826-05:002011-06-21T10:27:23.826-05:00I'm still here! I have a much longer comment (...I'm still here! I have a much longer comment (of course), but not much time right now...I shall return! :)JentoInfinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188248469034099534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-50689255212013407392011-06-20T22:53:40.933-05:002011-06-20T22:53:40.933-05:00Priest's wives are amazing. I'm a Latin, b...Priest's wives are amazing. I'm a Latin, but best friend growing up was the daughter of an Eastern rite priest. The difficulties are real, but, from what I've seen, they come in the flavor of unbelievably difficult congregations. Time away from the family was real for them, and it was hard, of course, but no harder than any other dad who has to travel for his job. Sigh. Where do people come up with this stuff? It's a tough enough job. No need for poorly informed fellow Catholics to make it tougher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-18565793067312112132011-06-20T22:14:32.651-05:002011-06-20T22:14:32.651-05:00credocatholic- it seems like we- with hardworking ...credocatholic- it seems like we- with hardworking husbands- should make a good dinner for him- and dessert (my big girls made a chocolate cake)!priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-20876805607941897392011-06-20T22:12:16.714-05:002011-06-20T22:12:16.714-05:00credocatholic- our situation works perfectly for u...credocatholic- our situation works perfectly for us- by God's grace- and that we are small enough that priest-husband works full-time as a hospital chaplain. So there are many early days and late nights in attending to the needs of the missions (and weekends are the busiest times, of course)---but still most of our parishioners still don't really 'get' it that he works a more than full time job at the hospital and that I work part time--- they think we live on his mission stipend...oh well... :)priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-84912790884248900682011-06-20T22:04:53.598-05:002011-06-20T22:04:53.598-05:00I know. The Church is simply not equipped to deal ...I know. The Church is simply not equipped to deal with the needs of married clergy, neither in finances nor in attitude. It's a weird sort of mix of wanting to be "progressive" when it comes to social issues and remaining fiscal conservatives at heart.<br /><br />I should know. My husband has worked for the Church ever since we have been married. He is a canon and civil lawyer and works three times as hard as anyone I know. Two full time jobs and two part time jobs, to be exact. We are finally making a wage livable enough to begin to attack the montrous debt accrued throughout the years.<br /><br />The laity who work for the Church are so needed, but the Church is still not ready to fully accept THEIR needs.<br /><br />Given all these obstacles, however, we have lived any extremely blessed life in the merciful love of Christ. I thank God that we don't have to deal with the powerful temptations that come with money or influence. We just have to keep asking God for the docility to His will.<br /><br />God bless you, beautiful sister in Christ. You are a brilliant witness to the trusting love that we all need.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118434604256650716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-26614743595361619952011-06-20T21:27:45.430-05:002011-06-20T21:27:45.430-05:00anonymous- even if Fr Corapi is innocent of the ch...anonymous- even if Fr Corapi is innocent of the charges, he isn't a typical priest (an ordered priest who lives apart from his community & with personal property)- but my 'rant' was about using money as an important argument about why celibacy is preferred- this is a straw argument and there are much better reasons to retain and celebrate it in the Roman rite (and of course all monks in the Eastern rites and those secular Eastern rite priests who are called to celibacy)priest's wifehttp://remnantofremnant.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-87116159096898079232011-06-20T21:20:34.518-05:002011-06-20T21:20:34.518-05:00Because I am not as "smart" or as connec...Because I am not as "smart" or as connected with the Holy Spirit as Pope Benedict, I'll defer to him on the subject of priestly celibacy. As you know our Pope wants priestly celibacy retained in the Roman rite and the option of marriage to be retained for the priesthood in the Byzantine rite. I'm sure you agree with that and also that Fr.(?) Corapi is hopefully not a typical Roman rite priest. Of course your complaints are totally legitimate. Good article. Sincere thanks for all the work you and your family do for the Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-39398534327234699632011-06-20T20:04:10.726-05:002011-06-20T20:04:10.726-05:00and about Fr Corapi- while I enjoy the satire of M...and about Fr Corapi- while I enjoy the satire of Mexican dogs found at Creative Minority Report, my feelings on this sad case is more in line with Fr Z's (WDTPRS blog)priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-68110405784860681372011-06-20T20:00:58.598-05:002011-06-20T20:00:58.598-05:00Leila- Thanks for the correction
Mommymagpie- yes...Leila- Thanks for the correction<br /><br />Mommymagpie- yes...something is in the air- Did you read mark Shea's post a few days ago! He apologized the next day...pray before posting, I try to remind myself<br /><br />Ranting Catholic Mom- you might tell those in discernment the best place to discern is in the seminary ;)priest's wife - S.T./ Anne Boyd https://www.blogger.com/profile/03792937108732259684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-12062389366112475242011-06-20T19:53:19.905-05:002011-06-20T19:53:19.905-05:00I really appreciate your posts as comments and her...I really appreciate your posts as comments and here on your own. Having a nephew in seminary, and several others in discernment, I do believe that celibacy is best, given all of the struggles you mention. At he same time, I know you are living a hard road and need our prayers. Jesus gives us all a cross, how do we discern if it is of his choosing, or the work of the devil? I don't know. I know in my dreams I hear my Father telling me I need to straighten my ways.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05125631823780589014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-61031071838872125182011-06-20T19:38:35.265-05:002011-06-20T19:38:35.265-05:00I wonder what gets into people that they make such...I wonder what gets into people that they make such comments - 'charge overtime' indeed. <br />And my whole feed the past couple of days has been full of these 'get it off my chest' type of posts; must be something in the air?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09944538285735981620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-902102460517670809.post-68334685584346588812011-06-20T19:28:37.398-05:002011-06-20T19:28:37.398-05:00I think you make great points!! Thank you!
(I did...I think you make great points!! Thank you!<br /><br />(I did read, though, that Fr. Corapi was not required to make a vow of poverty by SOLT, and that he did not. I could be wrong on that.)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com